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login to edit

Login-to-edit enforced temporarily due to the persistent bot which chomps everything after an "&" for no discernable purpose. --Andy 16:06, 19 September 2007 (BST)

unprotection test

I've unprotected most of the semi-protected pages again just now, this is to test a new measure which I've installed at the same time. With any luck this should drastically reduce the effect of the destructive bots. The one which deletes everything after an ampersand has been particularly vexing, it's difficult to code for such a pointless activity without affecting genuine reverts.

Anyway, many thanks to whoever has been keeping a good watch and helping out with the reverts up til now. The technological battle will come and go, but it's having people who care about a wiki that ensures its ultimate wellbeing.

I'm concerned now to make sure there aren't any false positives, in other words genuine edits by real people which might be getting blocked as spam.

So if you ever try to save a page and it won't let you, please would you take down the details and let me know - thanks. --Andy 12:31, 23 June 2007 (BST)

No problems posting so far and a couple of 'chomps' have got through so I've turned up the strictness a level. Maybe I should have left it longer to collect better data, oh well. --Andy 09:51, 24 June 2007 (BST)

Login to edit

Due to the irritating but not particularly destructive random number spambot, I've temporarily disabled anonymous edits, at least for the weekend. It's not a long term solution, I'll upgrade the mediawiki software in due course. --Andy 11:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

update: The mediawiki software has now been upgraded to 1.67 giving more flexibility. So I relaxed the restriction on anonymous edits and within an hour or so got hit by a spambot creating new pages full of links. The situation from now then, is that anonymous edits to existing pages are allowed, (except the main page) but you have to be logged in to create a new page or a new usertalk page. Logged in users can edit all pages. We'll see how this goes for a while --Andy 19:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Spam building up again. It was noticable that additions/edits seemed to drop off a bit when the wiki was blocked to anonymous edits, but it's bloody tiresome removing the spam time after time. Mark

main page protected

I've locked down the main page due to regular invisible link spamming so if you want to make any changes, for example to add a link to a new page or something, then please post a request here and I'll unlock it again for a few days to give anyone the chance to tinker. --WikiSysop 09:37, 14 November 2005 (GMT)

Andy - we've reached 700 now :), so the Cider Pub Guide count could do with updating. --Richard

New version

The test version of Main page is released live to see how it gets on.

The old version can still be viewed or reinstated from old Main Page --Andy 20:55, 11 November 2005 (GMT)

Hope this revised laout is ok. Please revert if not. Was thinking about what is visible on screen at 800x600 (most common(?) resolution). Also glass image wasn't working so fiddled with that.--Ray 14:12, 13 November 2005 (GMT)

The most common screen resolution by far these days seems to be 1024X768

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Must mean I'm uncommon then... or a luddite? --Ray 20:06, 14 November 2005 (GMT)

Yes, it's high time you forked out for a nice new 19" LCD screen instead of that tiny little flickering green thing you're peering into ;-) --Andy 20:23, 14 November 2005 (GMT)

I've actually had a nice new 19" LCD for some months now (redface) but only just got round to changing the resolution... Now that I have, the alignment is all out... sorry! Must remember to reset it again when the page is unlocked. Doh! --Ray 18:01, 15 November 2005 (GMT)

Main Page Organisation

Now that we have a few lengthy content pages, and some new ones which haven't been linked from the main page yet, could be a good time to review how the main page is organised. Try to imagine what visitors could be looking for, what they may be interested in, and how the Main Page can hold their interest as well as help them find information easily and be tempted to browse around and contribute. What's good about the current Main Page, and what could be improved? --Andy 11:43, 24 Apr 2005 (BST)


I've put up the start of a mockup of how a redesign of the main page might look here. Please give feedback and any comments or requests. --Frankie Roberto 13:54, 6 Jul 2005 (BST)

I like the idea of raising the 'Content' to the top of the page and highlighting it in green, as in Frankie's exemplar. When I visit sites for the first time, I want to know what's "in" it first before I can be bothered to read all the blurb, so this way of doing it appeals to browsers like me. --Ray 07:33, 25 Jul 2005 (BST)

Frankie is busier now than when he made the Test_version_of_possible_main_page but I think it's worth taking another look at it now. Maybe try putting the contents from the current main page into the test one to see how it might work out.--Andy 20:48, 10 Oct 2005 (BST)

I made a start on this. How's it looking? Please improve it :-) --Andy 20:20, 22 Oct 2005 (BST)

wiki vs old site

Is it perhaps time to have the wiki as the first thing you see when you go to, rather than the older static pages? The content has come on so far in the last few months, that it seems a shame to 'hide' it a little! --Richard Fairhurst 14:46, 20 January 2006 (GMT)

Yep, totally agree. It would also make it much easier to flag up the ukcider wiki; when I do the hard-sell about the wiki, jotting down is much easier than the long string that leads direct to the wiki, if you follow me. Especially when working behind the cider bar when folks have had a few already... --Ray 19:12, 20 January 2006 (GMT)

Good points. I have tried to make the links from the static site to the wiki more prominent but the complete transition is now called for. I just need to work out the route to get their while preserving inward links and a couple of other issues. The 1st anniversary at the end of January makes a good target date. Onwards and upwards! --Andy 12:41, 22 January 2006 (GMT)

New Spam Attack

Hi chaps. I removed a few pages of spam this morning. These were all on OLD pages, not current ones. Its typical of the spam bots that they infect old pages as they assume these are viewed less often and so wont be spotted. After all, the links are not there to be seen, but just harvested by the googlebots to increase the ranking of the sites they point at. What could be worth trying is locking down the old/archive/diary type pages. eg any pages that are unlikely to be changed legitimately e.g. Rosie's older diary pages, or reports of old events cheers


Main page content

Thinking about the main page content from the point of view of someone who spends a lot of time around marketeers, I'd like to suggest a reordering of the paragraphs.

At the moment the flow is thus: About the wiki -> General themes -> Campaigns.

Could I suggest a reordering of the paragraphs thus: Campaigns -> General themes -> About the wiki

The most important message should be the message we deliver to the punters first, if we're to aspire to a campaigning role then that's our campaign message and its associated call to action.

Just a thought - JWL

Recent Spam July 2008

can anyone explain the rationale behind the recent spam/vandalism which seems to mainly involve changing £ signs to £? I thought I could understand most wiki hacking, but the rationale of this defeats me Also its interesting that at least the most recent hack of "RG 2006 May" must involve a registered user - presumably an autobot of some kind. Just why would a bot (or bots) systematically chance £ signs? Weird JonS

Help with windfall apples?

Hi All,

Could anybody help with a bit of info and say if its at all possible please? So be gentle !! As i have no knowledge on the subject AT ALL!! lol.

I have 2 customers that i regularly go to that have 5 and 7 apple trees respectivly and they are in hertfordshire (dont know the variety but 2 trees on the last property are deffinately cookers) and they dont use there windfall apples at all and all they do is rot where they fall unless they scoop'em up or i take a few!! But invariably all the apples on both properties all go to waste and there is probably approx 1Ton? maybe more between the 2 properties when everything is on the ground.

My question is: Would a big or small local cider producer be interested in taking the windfall as my customers would only be too glad to get them cleared up next year and also, there are in the same area a few houses of the same size that 'may'? want their windfall taken up also?. So guys can anybody help or are my customers going to have to make apple pies for the next 50yrs!!