Other pub guides
There are a number of seemingly competing online pub guides available which attempt to provide information about UK pubs.
List of online pub guides
Starting from Wikipedia's 'Public House' entry, a list of online pub guides, from which we may single some out for review. There seems to be a new one started up almost every week!
- Britishpubguide.com — Free UK pub guide working on the same basis as Wikipedia: add your own information on any pub you like
- Pubs In Gloucestershire selling:-
- bestpubs.co.uk - search site for 'cider' with Google
- Fat Badgers.co.uk — Guide to Pubs in the UK - search site for 'cider' with Google
- www.pubsquiz.co.ukLarge directory of UK pubs which allows user feedback similarly to Wikipedia
- Wikipubs.org — A wiki of pubs and clubs from around the globe. Note: we are looking for contributors. - Appears to be defunct
- UKcider wiki — A wiki guide to over 560 UK pubs that serve real cider.
- PubUtopia.com — A community driven UK pubs guide, with ratings and reviews by real customers - search site for 'cider' with Google
- PubFinder.com — A comprehensive directory or pubs in Ireland and the UK
- BeerInTheEvening.com — A UK pub listings site featuring maps, pub search, pub ratings, and reviews - search site for 'cider' with Google
- PubsGalore.co.uk — UK pub guide with user submitted reviews, photos, ratings and links - search site for 'cider' with Google
- BarCrawl.co.uk — Another UK pub listing site with a pub crawl generator
- Cyberboozer — Free to use UK pub directory with some international pubs including full details, photographs, maps, descriptions and features of each pub.
- http://www.allpubs.co.uk/ Minimalist interface, minimalist information!
- londonpublichouse.com — A start to the genealogical listing over the past 200 years,for the Pubs and Beer Houses in London, around 3000 so far, and growing.
- essexpub.net — A complete listing of the entire 1500 Historical Public Houses in Essex, including family histories and lots of pictures.
- A Brief History of the British Pub
- Man walks into a Pub — A social history of beer drinking
- pubs.com — Traditional and Historic London pubs
- Passport to the Pub — a guide to British pub etiquette.
Ukcider is currently discussing whether or not there is any value in providing links to any of the other pub guides, as is currently done in a few examples on the cider pub guide pages.
The discussion was provoked by activity on Cider_Pub_Guide_to_Gloucestershire_and_Bristol
is being developed on the talk page Talk:Cider_Pub_Guide_to_Gloucestershire_and_Bristol
and continues also on the mailing list. To join the email discussion see Ukcider:Community_Portal
A possible solution for ukcider pub guide links, offered by Richard Fairhurst is demonstrated on the entry for Charlbury. Do try it out and see what you think:
The next step would be to create a template to minimise the amount of code required for each entry also to evaluate whether including this on many entries would be a good thing to have, and whether it would put the uninitiated off from adding in basic new pub information.
Format of pub guides
Most if not all of the pub guides have separate pages for each pub, so that means they are working on more of a 'database' model as opposed to the more browsable, area by area type of directory which has evolved on ukcider. But it seems unlikely that people want to search for pubs in the same way that they may book an airline ticket or shop online for gadgets. Surely the location is where people will usually want to start, and then be able to see all the listed pubs at or near that location without having to click on each and every one of them to find out that they're not interesting? Scanning the page by eye is quicker and less frustrating than clickling and waiting for pages to refresh. When somebody creates a general pub guide which works in a similar way to the cider one, so you can see at a glance brief details about all of the pubs in one village, or part of town etc then all of the pub-per-page guides may be left behind.
Thinking about this, I would propose that the members of uk.food+drink.real-ale and/or grassroots CAMRA members take it upon themselves to go and organise the UK section of the recently created wikipubs.org. Category:United_Kingdom This uses the same software as here, with an integrated map service. By organising from an existing community they would be able to quickly replcate the success of the cider pub guide on a larger scale for no cost. The only snag would be if the existing small number of people already on wikipubs insisted on organising the whole world on a page-per-pub basis. But with sufficent numbers, not necessarily a large mob, "just do it" would win the day.
The information on ukcider is really intended for browsing rather than searching, but there are two ways to search the contents.
- The left hand side bar on every page has a search box which invokes the wiki software to search. How useful are these results?
- On the external page at http://ukcider.co.uk there is a search box which uses Google to search through their cached pages from ukcider including most of the wiki. (set the tick box to ukcider rather than Web) How useful are these results?